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− | | | + | |'''Narration''' |
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− | | | + | |Welcome to this tutorial on '''Symmetry and Point Groups '''in '''Jmol'''. |
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− | | 00:06 | + | |00:06 |
− | | | + | |In this tutorial, we will learn to: |
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− | | 00:08 | + | |00:08 |
− | | | + | |Draw line, that is, '''axis''' through atoms in a molecule. |
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− | | 00:12 | + | |00:12 |
− | | | + | |'''Spin''' and rotate the molecule along the axis. |
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− | | 00:17 | + | |00:17 |
− | | | + | |Draw plane through atoms in a molecule. |
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− | | 00:21 | + | |00:21 |
− | | | + | |And demonstrate '''point group''' classification. |
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|00:25 | |00:25 | ||
− | | To follow this tutorial, you should have | + | |To follow this tutorial, you should have knowledge of undergraduate Chemistry and familiar with operations from '''Jmol window'''. |
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− | | 00:35 | + | |00:35 |
− | | If not, for relevant tutorials, please visit our website. | + | |If not, for relevant tutorials, please visit our website. |
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− | | 00:39 | + | |00:39 |
− | | | + | |To record this tutorial, I am using: |
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− | | 00:42 | + | |00:42 |
− | | | + | |'''Ubuntu Operating System''' version 14.04 |
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− | | 00:46 | + | |00:46 |
− | | | + | |'''Jmol''' version 12.2.32 |
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− | | 00:50 | + | |00:50 |
− | | | + | |'''Java''' version 7 and * Mozilla Firefox browser 35.0. |
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− | | | + | |00:57 |
− | | | + | |Often, symmetry in molecules is described in terms of symmetry elements like: |
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− | | | + | |Axis of symmetry |
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− | | 01: | + | |01:05 |
− | | | + | |Plane of symmetry Center of symmetry etc. |
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− | | 01:09 | + | |01:09 |
− | | We will use '''Jmol''' to display these symmetry | + | |We will use '''Jmol''' to display these '''symmetry element'''s in a molecule. |
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− | | 01:14 | + | |01:14 |
− | | | + | |Let us begin this tutorial by drawing '''C3 rotational axis''' through atoms in a model of '''methane'''. |
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− | | 01:22 | + | |01:22 |
− | | I have already opened the '''Jmol ''' | + | |I have already opened the '''Jmol window'''. |
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− | | 01:25 | + | |01:25 |
− | | Click on '''modelkit '''menu to get the '''ball and stick''' model of methane on the panel. | + | |Click on '''modelkit '''menu to get the '''ball and stick''' model of '''methane''' on the panel. |
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− | | 01:31 | + | |01:31 |
− | | | + | |Label the atoms in the '''methane''' molecule by using '''Display''' menu in the tool bar. |
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− | | | + | |01:37 |
− | | | + | |Click on '''Display,''' scroll down to '''Label '''and click on''' Number''' option. |
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− | | 01:43 | + | |01:43 |
− | | | + | |All the atoms in the '''methane '''molecule are now numbered. |
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− | | 01:47 | + | |01:47 |
− | | We need to write commands in the console to draw lines and planes through atoms. | + | |We need to write commands in the '''console''' to draw lines and planes through atoms. |
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− | | 01:53 | + | |01:53 |
− | | | + | |To open the '''Console''', click on '''File''' menu. |
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− | | 01:57 | + | |01:57 |
− | | Scroll down to''' Console''' and click on it. | + | |Scroll down to''' Console''' and click on it. |
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− | | 02:01 | + | |02:01 |
− | | | + | |The Console window opens on the screen. |
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− | | 02:04 | + | |02:04 |
− | | | + | |We will use '''draw '''keyword in the '''command line''' to draw lines and planes. |
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− | | 02:10 | + | |02:10 |
− | | | + | |Detailed information on '''Jmol script commands''' is available at this website. |
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− | | 02:15 | + | |02:15 |
− | | | + | |Open the website in any web browser. |
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− | | 02:19 | + | |02:19 |
− | | A web-page opens with a list of keywords used for writing script | + | |A web-page opens with a list of keywords used for writing '''script command'''s in Jmol. |
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− | | 02:26 | + | |02:26 |
− | | | + | |Scroll down and click on the word '''draw '''in the list. |
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− | | 02:31 | + | |02:31 |
− | | A '''page''' opens with details about the '''draw '''keyword. | + | |A '''page''' opens with details about the '''draw '''keyword. |
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− | | 02:36 | + | |02:36 |
− | | A general syntax for the '''draw''' command is given at the top of the '''page'''. | + | |A general syntax for the '''draw''' command is given at the top of the '''page'''. |
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− | | 02:42 | + | |02:42 |
− | | | + | |This is followed by information regarding the use of the '''keyword'''. |
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|02:47 | |02:47 | ||
− | | | + | |Let us now go back to the '''Jmol panel'''. |
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− | | 02:51 | + | |02:51 |
− | | I am using '''Kmag '''screen magnifier to magnify the console window. | + | |I am using '''Kmag '''screen magnifier to magnify the console window. |
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− | | 02:55 | + | |02:55 |
− | | | + | |To draw a line that represents '''C3 rotational axis''', |
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− | | 02:59 | + | |02:59 |
− | | | + | |type the following command at the dollar prompt, in the console. |
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− | | 03:04 | + | |03:04 |
− | | The '''command line''' begins with the word | + | |The '''command line''' begins with the word “draw”, followed by '''object ID'''. |
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− | | 03:10 | + | |03:10 |
− | | Number 250 in the command line refers to the length of the line. | + | |Number '''250''' in the command line refers to the length of the line. |
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− | | 03:15 | + | |03:15 |
− | | This is followed by the position of the line | + | |This is followed by the position of the line. |
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− | | 03:18 | + | |03:18 |
− | | Within brackets atom number equal to 1 and atom number equal to 2. Press '''Enter'''. | + | |Within brackets, atom number equal to 1 and atom number equal to 2. Press '''Enter'''. |
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− | | 03:26 | + | |03:26 |
− | | | + | |Observe the panel.A line passing through atoms 1 and 2 is drawn on the model of '''methane.''' |
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− | + | |03:33 | |
− | + | |This line can now act as an axis for rotation. | |
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− | | 03:33 | + | |
− | | This line can now act as an axis for rotation. | + | |
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|03:37 | |03:37 | ||
− | | | + | |We can draw more than one line on a given model. |
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− | | 03:41 | + | |03:41 |
− | | To draw '''C2 rotational axis''' | + | |To draw '''C2 rotational axis''', type the following command in the '''console'''. |
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− | | 03:47 | + | |03:47 |
− | | In this command, the numbers in curly brackets indicate the Cartesian coordinates for the line | + | |In this command, the numbers in the curly brackets indicate the '''Cartesian coordinates''' for the line |
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− | | 03:54 | + | |03:54 |
− | | followed by a command to specify the color of the line. Press '''Enter'''. | + | |followed by a command to specify the color of the line. Press '''Enter'''. |
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− | | 03:59 | + | |03:59 |
− | | | + | |Now, on the panel, we have methane with '''C2''' and '''C3''' '''rotational axes'''. |
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− | | 04:05 | + | |04:05 |
− | | | + | |To rotate along the '''line 1''', that is '''C3 axis''', type the following command: |
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− | | 04:12 | + | |04:12 |
− | | '''rotate $line1 60 ''' (rotate space dollar line1 space 60). | + | |'''rotate $line1 60''' (rotate space dollar line1 space 60). |
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− | | 04:18 | + | |04:18 |
− | | The number 60 refers to the degrees of rotation. Press '''Enter'''. | + | |The number '''60''' refers to the degrees of rotation. Press '''Enter'''. |
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− | | 04:24 | + | |04:24 |
− | | | + | |Observe the rotation along '''line1.''' |
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− | | 04:27 | + | |04:27 |
− | | | + | |To '''spin''' the molecule along '''line1''', type the following command: |
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− | | 04:32 | + | |04:32 |
− | | | + | |"spin $line1 180 60" '''(spin space dollar line1 space 180 space 60)'''. |
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− | | 04:39 | + | |04:39 |
− | | The number 180 refers to degrees of rotation and 60 refers to the speed of rotation. Press '''Enter'''. | + | |The number '''180''' refers to degrees of '''rotation''' and '''60''' refers to the speed of rotation. Press '''Enter'''. |
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− | | 04:48 | + | |04:48 |
− | | | + | |On the panel, we see the '''methane''' model spin along '''line1''', that is '''C3 axis'''. |
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− | | 04:55 | + | |04:55 |
− | | | + | |As an assignment-Draw line representing '''C3 axis of symmetry''', in a model of '''ethane''' |
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− | | | + | |05:02 |
− | | | + | |and '''spin''' the model along '''C3 axis'''. |
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− | | 05: | + | |05:06 |
− | | | + | |Back to the Jmol panel. |
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− | | 05: | + | |05:08 |
− | | | + | |We can also draw planes going through a set of atoms in a molecule. |
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− | | 05: | + | |05:12 |
− | | | + | |To do so, first delete the lines on the '''methane''' model by typing the following command. |
+ | "draw off" '''(draw space off)'''. Press '''Enter'''. | ||
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− | | 05: | + | |05:24 |
− | | | + | |To draw reflection plane going through atoms 1, 2 and 3 of the methane molecule: |
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− | | 05: | + | |05:31 |
− | | | + | |type the following command in the console. |
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− | | 05: | + | |05:35 |
− | | | + | |Number '''300''' in the command indicates the size of the plane. Press '''Enter'''. |
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− | | 05: | + | |05:41 |
− | | | + | |Observe the '''reflection plane''' going through atoms 1, 2 and 3 in the methane molecule. |
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− | | 05: | + | |05:49 |
− | | | + | |To draw a second reflection plane through atoms 1, 4 and 5: |
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− | | 05: | + | |05:55 |
− | | | + | |In the console, press up-arrow key and '''edit''' the command as follows. |
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− | | | + | |06:01 |
− | | | + | |Edit '''plane1''' to '''plane2''' and '''atomno2''' to '''4''' and '''atomno3''' to '''5'''. |
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− | | 06: | + | |06:12 |
− | | | + | |Also, to change the color of the plane, type the following command: |
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− | | 06: | + | |06:17 |
− | | | + | |"color $plane2 blue" '''(semicolon color space dollar plane2 space blue)'''. Press '''Enter'''. |
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− | | 06: | + | |06:24 |
− | | ''' | + | |On the panel, we see the two reflection planes in the '''methane''' molecule. |
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− | | 06: | + | |06:29 |
− | | | + | |Using Jmol, we can also show '''point group''' classification for '''methane''' as follows. |
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− | | 06: | + | |06:36 |
− | | | + | |Let's clear the planes drawn on methane molecule, on the panel. |
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− | | 06: | + | |06:41 |
− | | | + | |In the console, type: '''draw off ''' (draw space off). Press '''Enter'''. |
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− | | 06: | + | |06:47 |
− | | | + | |To display all the possible '''symmetry element'''s for methane: type the following command in the console. |
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− | | 06: | + | |06:54 |
− | | | + | |"draw pointgroup" '''(draw space pointgroup)'''. Press '''Enter'''. |
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− | | 06: | + | |06:59 |
− | | ''' | + | |We see the symmetry elements of '''methane''' displayed on the panel. |
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− | | | + | |07:04 |
− | | | + | |To find out the '''point group''' classification for '''methane''', type the following command: |
+ | "calculate pointgroup" (calculate space pointgroup). Press '''Enter'''. | ||
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− | | 07: | + | |07:14 |
− | | | + | |'''Td''', the point group of methane molecule, is displayed on the '''console'''. |
− | ''' | + | |
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− | | 07: | + | |07:20 |
− | | | + | |Another classic example for point group demonstration is '''allene'''. |
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− | | 07: | + | |07:25 |
− | | | + | |We can draw the structure of allene, on the panel, using the '''modelkit''' menu. Or, we can also download the structure of''' allene''' from '''chemical structure database'''. |
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− | | 07: | + | |07:37 |
− | | | + | |If you are connected to internet- click on the '''File''' menu, scroll down to '''Get Mol ''' and type “allene” in the text-box. Click on '''OK'''. |
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− | + | |07:48 | |
− | + | |To display all possible symmetry elements for '''allene:''' | |
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− | | 07:52 | + | |07:52 |
− | | Press up-arrow key at the dollar prompt on the console till you get this command | + | |Press up-arrow key at the '''dollar prompt''', on the console, till you get this command: |
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− | | 07:59 | + | |07:59 |
− | | '''draw pointgroup '''. Press '''Enter'''. | + | |'''draw pointgroup '''. Press '''Enter'''. |
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− | | 08:02 | + | |08:02 |
− | | | + | |Observe the panel. We see all possible symmetry elements for '''allene'''. |
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− | | 08:09 | + | |08:09 |
− | | | + | |To get the '''point group''' classification for allene - |
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− | | 08:12 | + | |08:12 |
− | | Again on the console press up-arrow key till you get the command | + | |Again, on the console, press up-arrow key till you get the command "calculate pointgroup". Press '''Enter'''. |
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− | | 08:21 | + | |08:21 |
− | | | + | |The point group classification for '''allene''', that is '''D2d, '''is displayed on the Console. |
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− | | 08:28 | + | |08:28 |
− | | | + | |Similarly, you can download molecules of your choice and calculate their point group. |
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− | | 08:34 | + | |08:34 |
− | | | + | |Let's summarize. In this tutorial, we learnt: |
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− | | 08:38 | + | |08:38 |
− | | | + | |To draw lines, that is, '''C2''' and '''C3''' '''rotational axes''' through atoms in '''methane''' molecule. |
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− | | 08:45 | + | |08:45 |
− | | | + | |'''Spin''' and '''rotate''' the molecule along the axis. |
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− | | 08:49 | + | |08:49 |
− | | | + | |Draw '''reflection plane''' through atoms in '''methane''' molecule. |
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− | | 08:54 | + | |08:54 |
− | | | + | |And demonstrate point group classification using examples of '''methane '''and''' allene.''' |
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− | | 09:01 | + | |09:01 |
− | | | + | |As an assignment-Draw reflection plane in a model of '''dichloromethane''' |
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− | + | |09:07 | |
− | + | |and find out the point group classification for '''ammonia''' and '''benzene'''. | |
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|09:12 | |09:12 | ||
− | | | + | |This video summarizes the '''Spoken Tutorial''' project. |
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− | | 09:15 | + | |09:15 |
− | | If you do not have good bandwidth, you can download and watch it. | + | |If you do not have good bandwidth, you can download and watch it. |
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− | | 09:20 | + | |09:20 |
− | | | + | |We conduct workshops using spoken tutorials and give certificates. Please contact us. |
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− | | 09:27 | + | |09:27 |
− | | | + | |The spoken-tutorial project is funded by NMEICT, MHRD, govt of India. |
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− | | 09:33 | + | |09:33 |
− | | | + | |This is Snehalatha from '''IIT Bombay''', signing off. |
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Latest revision as of 10:04, 29 March 2017
Time | Narration |
00:01 | Welcome to this tutorial on Symmetry and Point Groups in Jmol. |
00:06 | In this tutorial, we will learn to: |
00:08 | Draw line, that is, axis through atoms in a molecule. |
00:12 | Spin and rotate the molecule along the axis. |
00:17 | Draw plane through atoms in a molecule. |
00:21 | And demonstrate point group classification. |
00:25 | To follow this tutorial, you should have knowledge of undergraduate Chemistry and familiar with operations from Jmol window. |
00:35 | If not, for relevant tutorials, please visit our website. |
00:39 | To record this tutorial, I am using: |
00:42 | Ubuntu Operating System version 14.04 |
00:46 | Jmol version 12.2.32 |
00:50 | Java version 7 and * Mozilla Firefox browser 35.0. |
00:57 | Often, symmetry in molecules is described in terms of symmetry elements like: |
01:03 | Axis of symmetry |
01:05 | Plane of symmetry Center of symmetry etc. |
01:09 | We will use Jmol to display these symmetry elements in a molecule. |
01:14 | Let us begin this tutorial by drawing C3 rotational axis through atoms in a model of methane. |
01:22 | I have already opened the Jmol window. |
01:25 | Click on modelkit menu to get the ball and stick model of methane on the panel. |
01:31 | Label the atoms in the methane molecule by using Display menu in the tool bar. |
01:37 | Click on Display, scroll down to Label and click on Number option. |
01:43 | All the atoms in the methane molecule are now numbered. |
01:47 | We need to write commands in the console to draw lines and planes through atoms. |
01:53 | To open the Console, click on File menu. |
01:57 | Scroll down to Console and click on it. |
02:01 | The Console window opens on the screen. |
02:04 | We will use draw keyword in the command line to draw lines and planes. |
02:10 | Detailed information on Jmol script commands is available at this website. |
02:15 | Open the website in any web browser. |
02:19 | A web-page opens with a list of keywords used for writing script commands in Jmol. |
02:26 | Scroll down and click on the word draw in the list. |
02:31 | A page opens with details about the draw keyword. |
02:36 | A general syntax for the draw command is given at the top of the page. |
02:42 | This is followed by information regarding the use of the keyword. |
02:47 | Let us now go back to the Jmol panel. |
02:51 | I am using Kmag screen magnifier to magnify the console window. |
02:55 | To draw a line that represents C3 rotational axis, |
02:59 | type the following command at the dollar prompt, in the console. |
03:04 | The command line begins with the word “draw”, followed by object ID. |
03:10 | Number 250 in the command line refers to the length of the line. |
03:15 | This is followed by the position of the line. |
03:18 | Within brackets, atom number equal to 1 and atom number equal to 2. Press Enter. |
03:26 | Observe the panel.A line passing through atoms 1 and 2 is drawn on the model of methane. |
03:33 | This line can now act as an axis for rotation. |
03:37 | We can draw more than one line on a given model. |
03:41 | To draw C2 rotational axis, type the following command in the console. |
03:47 | In this command, the numbers in the curly brackets indicate the Cartesian coordinates for the line |
03:54 | followed by a command to specify the color of the line. Press Enter. |
03:59 | Now, on the panel, we have methane with C2 and C3 rotational axes. |
04:05 | To rotate along the line 1, that is C3 axis, type the following command: |
04:12 | rotate $line1 60 (rotate space dollar line1 space 60). |
04:18 | The number 60 refers to the degrees of rotation. Press Enter. |
04:24 | Observe the rotation along line1. |
04:27 | To spin the molecule along line1, type the following command: |
04:32 | "spin $line1 180 60" (spin space dollar line1 space 180 space 60). |
04:39 | The number 180 refers to degrees of rotation and 60 refers to the speed of rotation. Press Enter. |
04:48 | On the panel, we see the methane model spin along line1, that is C3 axis. |
04:55 | As an assignment-Draw line representing C3 axis of symmetry, in a model of ethane |
05:02 | and spin the model along C3 axis. |
05:06 | Back to the Jmol panel. |
05:08 | We can also draw planes going through a set of atoms in a molecule. |
05:12 | To do so, first delete the lines on the methane model by typing the following command.
"draw off" (draw space off). Press Enter. |
05:24 | To draw reflection plane going through atoms 1, 2 and 3 of the methane molecule: |
05:31 | type the following command in the console. |
05:35 | Number 300 in the command indicates the size of the plane. Press Enter. |
05:41 | Observe the reflection plane going through atoms 1, 2 and 3 in the methane molecule. |
05:49 | To draw a second reflection plane through atoms 1, 4 and 5: |
05:55 | In the console, press up-arrow key and edit the command as follows. |
06:01 | Edit plane1 to plane2 and atomno2 to 4 and atomno3 to 5. |
06:12 | Also, to change the color of the plane, type the following command: |
06:17 | "color $plane2 blue" (semicolon color space dollar plane2 space blue). Press Enter. |
06:24 | On the panel, we see the two reflection planes in the methane molecule. |
06:29 | Using Jmol, we can also show point group classification for methane as follows. |
06:36 | Let's clear the planes drawn on methane molecule, on the panel. |
06:41 | In the console, type: draw off (draw space off). Press Enter. |
06:47 | To display all the possible symmetry elements for methane: type the following command in the console. |
06:54 | "draw pointgroup" (draw space pointgroup). Press Enter. |
06:59 | We see the symmetry elements of methane displayed on the panel. |
07:04 | To find out the point group classification for methane, type the following command:
"calculate pointgroup" (calculate space pointgroup). Press Enter. |
07:14 | Td, the point group of methane molecule, is displayed on the console. |
07:20 | Another classic example for point group demonstration is allene. |
07:25 | We can draw the structure of allene, on the panel, using the modelkit menu. Or, we can also download the structure of allene from chemical structure database. |
07:37 | If you are connected to internet- click on the File menu, scroll down to Get Mol and type “allene” in the text-box. Click on OK. |
07:48 | To display all possible symmetry elements for allene: |
07:52 | Press up-arrow key at the dollar prompt, on the console, till you get this command: |
07:59 | draw pointgroup . Press Enter. |
08:02 | Observe the panel. We see all possible symmetry elements for allene. |
08:09 | To get the point group classification for allene - |
08:12 | Again, on the console, press up-arrow key till you get the command "calculate pointgroup". Press Enter. |
08:21 | The point group classification for allene, that is D2d, is displayed on the Console. |
08:28 | Similarly, you can download molecules of your choice and calculate their point group. |
08:34 | Let's summarize. In this tutorial, we learnt: |
08:38 | To draw lines, that is, C2 and C3 rotational axes through atoms in methane molecule. |
08:45 | Spin and rotate the molecule along the axis. |
08:49 | Draw reflection plane through atoms in methane molecule. |
08:54 | And demonstrate point group classification using examples of methane and allene. |
09:01 | As an assignment-Draw reflection plane in a model of dichloromethane |
09:07 | and find out the point group classification for ammonia and benzene. |
09:12 | This video summarizes the Spoken Tutorial project. |
09:15 | If you do not have good bandwidth, you can download and watch it. |
09:20 | We conduct workshops using spoken tutorials and give certificates. Please contact us. |
09:27 | The spoken-tutorial project is funded by NMEICT, MHRD, govt of India. |
09:33 | This is Snehalatha from IIT Bombay, signing off.
Thank you for joining. |